Cam Johnson TACKLES TANKING and OFFERS SOLUTION to fix it in NBA #nba #utahjazz
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It would be a lot more simple if small market teams didn't exist. They have no other choice than the lottery rly.
Lol stick to hoops on this one man… evening the odds between every team missing the playoffs? You dont think that fight for the last spot turns into a losing fest? You've EFFECTIVELY INCREASED TANKING… a 40 win team with the same odds for number 1 as a 15 win team? Stupid… detroit also didnt tank, our star was hurt… and we got better being young and losing….. Utah and Memphis ARE TANKING
As a European it has always sounded insane that you get basically rewarded for matchfixing/being terrible in a competitive environment.
I think you only get a shot at the top 5 for one to two years, then the following years you automatically fall out of that range.
The solution is to rotate picks 1-30 amongst the 30 teams every year. Detach the draft order from performance. Problem solved.
I dont like tanking, but i dont like the way he positions it. Making sure you miss the playoffs by 1 game is bad but that team likely isnt winning it all or getting past the first round and there odds for are 0.5%. People act like its 1 bad season and you are good to go. No. 3 teams get a 14% chance, then a 12.5%, 10.5%, etc.
Harden left houston, and after he left houston 3 bad seasons. The only lotter pick they drafted on their team right now is reed sheppard and jabari smith (both 3rd overall).
Spurs were a 30 win team with derozan then a 30 win team with murray, then a 22 win team with keldon johnson. Then 2 more seasons of 20 and 30 wins. Thats 7 seasons before they start to look decent.
Detroit spend 5 seasons getting less than 25 wins a year.
San Antonio tanked their way to a dynasty in the 90s by resting a healthy David Robinson and drafted Duncan. They then won five titles, including at least 1 at the expense of my Phoenix Suns, which is why I hate tanking.
This isn't an NBA specific issue. There is no long-term point to being an average team with no chance at winning the title.
What are the bad teams supposed to do? What are the small market teams supposed to do? No stars want to sign with Utah or Milwaukee for example. The ONLY way those teams can improve is through the draft.
The NBA Draft allows the terrible and/or small market teams to actually acquire high-end talent.
Make the draft a "rookie FA signing period". Keep some type of rookie scale cap and give the small market teams 20-30% more rookie FA money to spend. Just spit balling.
The obvious solution is to ban resting players
He just laid out how we all feel. No one likes it, but until it’s changed, it’s a necessity for a small market team to be competitive
As a Jazz fan I hate losing… but I get it. We need star power to win
that’s the point the worst teams get a chance for a better future. Not all draft picks are guaranteed good even. My pistons shoulda picked Carmelo and didn’t and suffered and got old contracts with Blake and Drummond and then got Cade and we are just now benefiting years later. Making the league more competitive!!
So you’re the worst team in the league and you end up with the 12th pick. Disastrous, you just wasted a year and have nothing to show for it.
There are two reasons that this is a huge discussion this year.
1. It is an incredible draft.
2. Gambling companies are putting fresh on the league to do something about the tanking problem.
If this were not an incredible draft year, nobody would be talking about it except for the gambling companies, which I think is a bad reason to get rid of the draft or flat out the odds.
I am pro tanking.
Pistons didnt tank
I think it’s great for the game. In my opinion every single team should tank because it’s sick and cool
Relegate last three teams to G League and give top three teams in g league a chance for promotion. Watch how quickly all this nonesense goes away
To me it is simple. Tanking is intentionally losing right… that alone is anti competitive nature and should be permanently bannable Ina competitive sport. What sport would allow you to intentionally lose… imagine an international team doing that. There would be an uproar. So to start they need to enforce basic competitive spirit rules. The lottery odds should be flattened, but I think you should get ever slightly better odds for making the playoffs and placing in the bottom middle. If you intentionally lose at that point, ban the whole team. Make the reward for winning higher. Maybe more money, some type of choice or selection. Maybe as long as you place on the top 3 you get an extra roster slot. It would be weird and different but be some example of a gain you can provide people who do well. Idk though. It’s ruining basketball.
Does anyone think Pop actually tanked on purpose for draft picks? Or maybe that the front office screwed him? Genuine question. I just thought the Spurs were bad for a while.
No. Lottery odds can't be even. That means you can have some Western conference team that battled to make the 8th seed and then just fell out to 11th might win 40+ games that season. Then they have the same odds of a team that struggled to win 20 games? Can't have that. Just raises the floor to tanking. You'll just have really good teams that get a late injury and think they'll be 7 or 8 in the West so they'll just lose 10 straight to get to 11 so they can hopefully land the number one pick
One of the few nba players that is actually intelligent
The only way to keep the draft and prevent tanking is to even out the odds. Every team has the same chances regardless if they make it to the playoffs or not.
Future NBPA president??
All lottery teams should have equal odds to where they’ll be tanking just to go to the playoffs
Just make whoever wins the NBA Championship that year get the 1st Pick! With the way the 2nd apron works, you can’t keep alot of talent on 1 team. So now free agency more exciting plus trades will happen a little earlier for Aging Superstars. With makes the farming system as a whole better for the league. It’s endless pros to this suggestion. 🏀💯
There isn’t, you have the guys or you don’t. You have the elite ball handlers or you don’t. If you don’t have a top 15 player, probably multiple, you have a zero percent chance of doing anything relevant ever. There’s a reason you’re a player, and the people who run the teams run the teams
The one thing Csm said that I think really hit the nail on the head, is that teams need to get some incentive to see being in the play-in as better than the draft lottery. Now what could be given as such a reward, idk.
Do not allow teams to ever trade their first round picks nor rookies drafted in the first round. Only second year players. This means that every team will have to draft where they fall, and less likelihood of getting an OKC situation, and more parity. And with a year under their belt it’ll be more obvious whether a player is going to work or not.
In most "soccer" and other sport leagues around the world, if you try to tank and end up in the bottom three, you get relegated (i.e kicked out of the league and replaced by the three teams from the bottom league. As much as America and Amerocans hate Communist and Socislist ideology, the American sport model is ironically very socio-communistic, because all your sport leagues are closed to a few teams, no Promotion/Relegation, no repercussions for losing and being dead last in the league, rather teams get rewarded with good players.
Also ironically, everywhere else around the world has a "capitalistic" "american" approach to the sport model, if you win, you get rewarded, if you lose and end up last in the league you get relegated.
It isn't a "tanking" problem, the problem is the "american sport model" itself. A model that I don't see changing anytime soon.
If we change it some small market teams will go 100 years before they have a winning season
You shouldn't be rewarded for losing. You should be able to stay afloat but it can't be a reward.
If you are a small market team who tanks (Utah for example), your 1st should drop to the back of the lottery and be judged straight off record.
Being bad is fine, but even a bad team trying to win should be competitive most nights.
I thought this was Kareem Abdul Jabbar from Winning Time 😂
American sports should adopt european sports, where there are lower leagues for each sport, and at the end of the season if you are bad you get relegated and good enough you stay in the upper league no one would tank on purpose
See here’s the thing it’s a very thin line between “Tanking” and “Rebuilding”. What Sam Hinkie did in Philly with the “trust the process” was tanking. What Sam Presti has done in OKC is called rebuilding. Difference is you don’t just be as bad as possible. You need a plan and a vision on how you want to recreate your franchise. Stock pile draft picks and young assets. Actually bring in ppl with an eye for talent who know how to draft
Teams have to get better . Every team who has won recently has tanked .
It’s not just about tanking it’s about the integrity of competition. I think I saw Nick Wright bring up something along the lines of a win in the last ten games adds to your draft percentage for lottery teams. I say just make it for the entire last third of the season after All Star break. Entice teams to want to compete for wins to get better draft odds. That would fix some serious bs in the league. Maybe take the lottery teams and assess them from Allstar break onwards as well. Teams that are lottery picks at the break essentially go back 0-0 records. Whoever has the best record at the end gets the best odds. If teams fall out of the lottery and into the play-in their odds become null. And the team who falls out of the play in gets their odds calculated based off of record post allstar break.
Facts
OKC went to the playoffs with CP3 and then traded him away so they could tank harder.
Just throwing out ideas..
Scrap the lottery. Give EVERY team “hope points” for wins (1 pt each) + small bonus for close losses. Bid on top 10 picks in a live TV auction. Losers get no points=can’t buy stars. EVERY game matters for cash to grab talent. Simple, fair, ends tanking, adds draft drama! 🚀
Out of season tournament for best odds for #1 pick
Bro u sound crazy right now
Just cancel the draft
Tanking bouta make bro cry 😭. Spitting fscts tho