Nets lackluster effort early, Kyrie Irving lights up Brooklyn in return

Nets lackluster effort early, Kyrie Irving lights up Brooklyn in return

Coming up Kyrie Irving returns to Brooklyn and along with Luca donic lights the Brooklyn Nets on fire burning them down 119 107 we break down the loss the terrible game plan and ultimately how this team proceeds towards the deadline all coming up next you are locked on Nets your daily

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Terms of a lazy effort from the Brooklyn Nets to start this game an awful game plan and really just no opportunity as Ben Simmons played tonight to have a little bit of fun juice at least for I don’t know 60 seconds yeah got a little juice with Ben Simmons in the starting

Line up net still down pretty bad here with some of the injuries that they suffered in the long term old friend Kyrie Irving back in the building no tribute video I should say they just welcomed back Kyrie Irving Marie Morris and Seth Curry with a little thanks for

Thanks for being around for a little while and while let’s go play the game surpris tribute to to Seth Curry but not to Kyrie it was an interesting choice so um yeah but you’re right like the way the game started the Nets just really lacked any juice they had

Multiple times to kind of get back in the game late they did sort of turn it on in the second half a little bit more to pull themselves back into the game and we could talk about that like sort of like what swung the tide but yeah

Just to start this game there was it seemed to be a very loose slash no game plan of how to deal with the Kyrie and Luca Tandem and it really just showed and it kind of came out in different versions of confusion sort of like low effort and when you combine those two

Things together it just is going to look bad and really for a major part of this game it did look really bad they were able to turn it around a little bit in the second so I don’t want to just like totally ignore that but they just had

Dug themselves such a hole against a team like this and two sort of generational offensive talents which the Dallas Mavericks have you’re just not GNA be it’s gonna be really hard to come back against a team like this right because they can just dial it in and

They can dagger you and that’s basically what they ended up doing late and it was mostly born out of what sort of started early yeah combined for 71 points to Kyrie Irving and Luca they go a combined 10 of 2 one from Beyond The Arc and you

Mentioned it there you know the effort piece is what bothers me here yes the Nets are short-handed right they’re missing a lot of guys was first game back for Kyrie I think in six games for Dallas as well dealing with a thumb injury but the frustrating part is on

Paper with the injuries the Nets currently have you don’t expect to necessarily win this game but in the third quarter when the Brooklyn Nets go on a 12-2 run and get it and get it down to single digits you think hey all right there is a little bit of juice here but

Then they get absolutely blitzed by Luca daggers threes from all over the court and it blows back up to a near 20o leag going to the fourth they do it again they fight back to watch the third and fourth quarters of this game that’s all you needed four quarters of that and I

Would have lived with the results it could have been the exact same 119 107 final score but if you played the way you did Midway through the third let’s say and then into the fourth quarter I can live with the results because we understand you are short-handed they

Tried Ben Simmons and Nicholas claxon on the court together we can discuss when that did not work but but ultimately it does come down to Game Plan and effort and it just didn’t seem like the Brooklyn Net Javon the coaching staff the players were terribly interested in this for the first 24

Minutes yeah early on in the game uh they tried to start throwing some doubles and blitzes at Luca and you know slow blitzes very slow it was almost like it was hard to tell if it was a bad communication or just laziness like because sometimes some there is communication issues right like whether

You’re going to bring everyone like up to the level of the screen and kind of like go after the Blitz and like there were times where it felt like the guys just like weren’t really sure if they should be or not and that can look like laziness or it can look like confusion

Because if you’re like half in and half out you might not know oh should I be doing this now or not right regardless it doesn’t matter the result was the same whereas that like Luca who’s seen this a million times in his career when you throw these doubles at him he just

Will make the very he doesn’t spend too much time on it he makes the first read and now all of a sudden it’s basically four on three right for the for them Kyrie cooked a couple of those matchups not all some were times where he was

Taking in at cam Thomas who they really picked on defensively sometimes he was just kind of cooking in a way that like you know he pulled up over Jaylen Wilson for he check three at one point so like there was there was a few different things going on but it really did look

Like the Nets were unaware that they were playing Luca and these guys uh like going into the best way to encapsulate it right and and I think that like that was the troubling that was a troubling sign was that early and again by the way like again later on they did make adjustments

That kind of did work is but early on it just looked it looked like they just really had no plan at all and if you’re gonna if you’re not GNA be fully committed to a trapping style against Luca or be fully committed to like switch everything or whatever and really

Know like he’s just too good he’s the best I mean he’s at worst the second best offensive player in basketball like depending on where you want to put yic right so like it’s just you just can’t be half in on a guy like him and when

You put Kyrie next to him like you’re really going to be just in so so much trouble these guys are Superstar talents on the offensive end you can’t not have a very set plan and have everyone 100% aware of what you’re GNA be do because if you if that’s gonna happen you’re

Gonna see what we got in this first half where they were outscored 6547 right and the game at that point basically felt over and if you’re just gonna allow that to happen you just you’re not going to be able to beat these teams they just too good by the

Way 18 rebounds 17 of them defensive Luka donic in this one to go along with his nine assists as well and you mentioned it there right you can you can make decisions about how you want to defend LCA how you want to Def defend Kyrie I know we’ll talk about some other

Sequences here but I will just say in in this moment you see in the second half when they start to put Claxton in ISO defending against LCA right yeah now is it always going to be is he always going to win that matchup no but you saw him

Win several several possessions of it and it looked starkly better than what they had going on in the first half and I think if you’re going to start this game with Ben Simmons and Nicholas Clon on the floor together then that’s the that’s the choice you have to make from

The word go you go defend him one-on-one Ben Simmons helps with the rebounding and you round the basket stuff right you’re going have to sacrifice something here we know how good Claxton is near the basket but I think right now with where their games are you want Claxton

Taking that assignment away from the basket and live with the results instead there was so many sequences where you end up with two quote bigger bodies in Simmons and Clon sharing a lot of the same kind of space and effectively giving plus assignments across the board

For the Dallas off and a lot of easy looks for some of the role players around the basket as well and and with those CLA with that Claxton um switch that they made the adjustment that they made where they were just like sort of B basically put a claxon on Luca and said

You know and but you got to remember like Dallas is going to adjust that too like they adjusted within three or four possessions to that they just brought the screener really high like basically right at half court and then you make CLA navigate screens really far away

From the basket and that’s how you kind of undo that b so basically with with Dallas you have to throw lots of different looks at them and one of the looks cannot be 50% jogging into a blitz right like that can’t be that that’s going to be soft jogs towards the

Perimeter that’s just gonna be it if that’s gonna be it like I can already tell you what’s gonna happen right like and so again like these teams are always going to adjust like it’s not like you could just put claxon on Luka donic starting at the tip and then go all 48

Minutes with that like there’s there are ways around it right like just make them navigate screens get them further away from the bass it right like make a quick decision so that like you know put it in Kyrie’s hands so he can blow by a Defender that’s really space like

There’s lots of ways to navigate around that but it just like took a little too long for them to get there and they really didn’t leverage the advantage they had by playing Simmons and Claxton together early to the start the game like that’s what they have they have to

Leverage this if you’re gonna give it away from the spacing on the other end you have to leverage the defensive prowess and athleticism on the defensive end and they just really didn’t do it so ended up being kind of worse of both worlds let’s talk about here coming up

In one second the very quiet 28o performance from male Bridges another offensive struggle from cam Thomas that came with two key Silver Linings and the ways in which the Ben Simmons and Nicholas Claxton pairing did not work out we’ll get into that in just one moment all right before we get to that

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Home 119 to 107 to the Dallas Mavericks I’d like to say that the score is about where where it was in terms of what happened here but the Nets were down by 20 plus maybe 30 at one point in this game and tried to claw their way back

Into it now the thing as we I think we we do when the Nets are a team that’s well below 500 they have these struggles they’re dealing with a lot of injuries right now is to look at some players here I mentioned I’ll get to Bridges

Here in a second but cam Thomas has another difficult shooting night six to 16 just one to three from Deep gets to the line four times I will say you could tell I think that that he feels like and probably justifiably he has done enough now already in his young career to be

More deserving of some of these calls some of the physical play it feels like you know guys of a certain level get those whistles and he has not to this point but I will just say eight uh eight rebounds in this game and eight assists career high and assists in this game you

Have to look beyond the loss at this point and just talk about a young player developing only 16 points but this is the thing we always point to if you’re going to have an off shooting night you can still be on the court you can still

Have value if you find ways to help other players be successful great example tonight for him of being able to do that yeah for a guy that we were never sure if he was GNA be able to put together the passing piece I mean that’s

Really coming around in a big way uh he was on kind of triple double watch here right 168 and8 in 30 seven minutes and to even be thinking about that with him uh I know he was minus 19 he got picked on all night on defense like it was not

Another like sort of just bad shooting night for him just really inefficient shooting night maybe there was some frustration there as well I’m willing to take the positives just because of where we are in the cam Thomas cam Thomas timeline right like we’re just at a point now where little pieces of growth

In his game are good things it’s not going to be there every single night he’s just not that guy yet um and he’s and just the nature of he plays there’s going to be inefficiency in the shooting just because he takes really difficult shots at times he makes those difficult

Shots at a clip that most other players can’t but if you’re gonna take a lot many difficult shots at volume you’re gonna have these kinds of nights every once in a while I think overall like you know maybe he maybe he shouldn’t close this game I mean they

Were down right but like it would have been a tough call I think late game here to under like to think about whether or not he should have closed because like the defense was a real bad problem yeah in this one like this is this is a

Really tough match up for him like two Superstar guards and one of them’s huge like he’s really down bad in terms of like def like being able to hang defensively but again I’m not even like knocking him I think that overall the eight assists the rebounds are whatever

I think that’s just kind of I don’t know if that’s that’s byproduct yeah like but if if the assists and these were like purposeful too like they were good reads like he saw some doubles come early he was able to get into the flow get into

The lane instead of trying to jack up sort of like a head half swiveled around shot finding finding open Shooters when defense collaps I think like that’s just a massive sign of growth for him so I think we’re I’m willing to even in a

Kind of a bad loss look at this game as just another stepping stone for him to say okay he’s got this in his bag he’s beginning to make the right reads he’s beginning you know it’s funny like I was thinking about this when I saw him make

One of the passes he’s not the same guy but I remember thinking about this at Bruce Brown when Bruce Brown started making like the short roll passes and you’re like oh hold on okay we got something here I had like the same sort of like moment thinking about cam when

He just rolled into the lane again I’m not comparing the type of passes at all the clearly totally different players I’m just saying like the recognition that he was starting to see the game a little faster because that’s what the passes are you just for him it’s he’s

Seeing the game faster and I think that’s a really critical part of his growth yeah if you look at six of 16 as I mentioned here month ago maybe even as little as a month ago that’s 23 shots from him right maybe it’s eight to 23 on

A night like this and four assists or three assists or two assists right so again you’d like it to be coming in a winning effort but I think that balance of his game is what matters in his next step of his development the other thing

Is you mentioned yeah he’s a minus 19 in this game guess what the next worst player in that category is Mel Bridges who in 39 minutes 11 to 21 this is again you look at the box score 5’11 from Deep gives you 28 points but to watch this

Game especially early I this is also team wide by the way he had he went one for three from Beyond The Arc early in the game but they it was it was possession after possession of trying to find specific sets and getting him these open looks and he just didn’t seem it is

A back-to-back both teams were on it but he just didn’t seem to have the the the engagement the drive and even though the numbers look good by the end of it it really was if we’re talking about who are your best players right he needs to take on that role especially offensively

When you have no Cameron Johnson in this game no Dorian Smith right you’re missing a lot of key pieces here and this is I don’t even want to knock him but it’s just another reminder like he’s not that guy where you could say okay go toe-to-toe with Kyrie Irving for a

Quarter and a half here and let’s see if we can get ourselves into this game it’s not going to be the way it is he’s going to get his in his spots as it naturally comes in the flow of the game I think what’s going to be a recurring theme for

Us like uh you know through the trade deadline and through the rest of the season and Beyond is that when the games are like this right when it’s like you get 39 minutes from Bridges and 37 from Cam and I think those minutes are really encouraging especially for cam Thomas

Here right um but they’re goingon to combine for 44 points I could just pretty basically tell you what’s the score I could basically tell you what the if the Nets won or lost right like they they rely on these guys a ton for the offense especially when the starting

Lineup is if you’re going to put Simmons in the starting lineup which I appreciated the effort by vaugh to at least try that right like I think that was a fine move but if they’re not going to be able to score at like heavy Clips there’s just not enough scoring prowess

In the rest of this lineup like Den witty doesn’t really want to go to the rim or do anything anymore really like with all with all that much frequency who even knows if he’s gonna be on the team much longer you know Simmons isn’t gonna shoot and Claxton he’s just if

He’s getting lobs then great or little turnarounds in the basket but like he’s not creating a lot of his offense so basically what ends up happening is if these guys are going to be like the the significant volume of shooting they just have to score a lot and the nights where

It’s going to the nights where they’re struggling it’s really such an uphill climb for this offense and if they stick with the starting lineup I don’t think they will um although it will be interesting to sort of see what they do when Cameron Johnson comes back when

Dorian finy Smith comes back if he doesn’t get traded but right like I I just think what when we look at the bo even just looking at the box score at the end of the night forget about just like analyzing every single shot yeah looking at the box score every night

When we see these kinds of struggles with the efficiency then n just don’t have any they don’t have enough Behind These Guys you know L walk you’re get your Lon Walker games and here and there but he didn’t play tonight so like they just it’s just going to be tough and I I

I think both these guys are like you know well above average scores obviously but the Nets just relying them way more than like most other teams would in similar situations right the higher Archy would be very different on almost every other team if you had these two

Players if you walk if you went through like if you went through every other NB NBA team and put these guys on that team there’d be somewhat there’d be at least there’d be more ju there’d be more juice and and and honestly that’s like the most disappointing thing about the the

Dwy season right because like really you would think he would be like sort of like that guy like hey we need to settle down let’s run some pick and roll but they just don’t do that anymore and like tonight really would have been the night

To do it too like against a sort of centerless Dallas team like tonight would have been the night to do it they just don’t they seem so uninterested in running that kind of scheme anymore yeah it seems like again as we’ve said all season long the the the pace of

Development and scheme building and figuring out how these pieces fit together always seems to be a half a step behind what feels like would be solid games plan game plans on a night tonight basis coming up here in a second what did we learn coming off of this

Bench unit Jack vaugh almost went with a bold strategy with some of the young players and Beyond Claxton and Simmons sharing the court together there was another reminder of what can go wrong when Ben Simmons is on the floor we’ll get into that in just one

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11 107 loss for the Brooklyn Nets at home to the returning Kyrie Irving no tribute video provided on the front end of this one we remind you to go over to week outnet.com and sign up for the free ebook five stories in five days all about the Brooklyn Nets franchise going

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Over there as well now we talk about coming into this game all of the injuries so you get the spark here with the idea that we’re going to run with with a little bit of a deeper roster here you get Clowney Clowney comes in here and I’ll be honest with you maybe

His development is a little bit further along than we initially thought when they drafted him however it only took a couple of sequences where B he was getting bounced around like a pingpong ball in the paint at times to to the to the point where he got bounced into

Spencer Den witty on an offensive set trying to go to the basket so you weren’t able to play much of him are you I’m not going to say surprised are you disappointed that trendon Watford stepped in for three minutes and got immediately taken off the court here we

Know Dennis SM Smith Junior’s going to get his Royce O’Neal again some late threes that helped make this game a little bit interesting in the third and fourth quarters but you’re depleted you are short on your rotation and vaugh just doesn’t choose to go with

A little bit more size a little bit more length to at least help out in the rebounds at least mitigate some of the size disadvantage especially when you have someone like Luca in that back court buddy Jaylen Wilson Jaylen Wilson’s looking over here I was saving

That I was saving that for my big I want to dump all these guys first and then get to Jaylen Wilson the Jewel of the Brooklyn Nets franchise Jaylen Wilson’s shrugging his shoulders be like hey man what did I have to do for some for Adam

To notice me you know what fine let’s let’s cut right to it because I I have been the advocate for him for so long going back to the all-star break saying if you draft a guy of his age you need to play him sooner rather than later and

When you look at his line in 18 minutes three of seven from the field two of three from deep four rebounds two assists a steal really it test tells you a lot 10 points for him in this game it’s that he’s he has an NBA body he

Even stayed and ran with Kyrie Irving towards the basket defensively at times he does more than strip stripped them once like yes yeah pulled one away there and triggered and triggered a bit of a fast break for the Brooklyn Nets he’s shown enough there there’s just no world

Here and we I I’ve said this before this is a great illustration of it there’s no world where he has not at least inserted himself into the I’m a part of the NBA level roster that if you’re looking for minutes I should be the guy’s number

That you call more often than not yeah this is a really encouraging game from him um and I do Wonder as we talk about the trade deadline uh coming up here on the next episode and later if on YouTube if you’re still if you’re hanging around

Here but that I wonder if games like this not like make you confident because he’s been really playing pretty well in the g- league but like if if you’re like okay at some point we just need to start playing some of these guys and based on

His age sort of his and his specs and everything that he can just be you know a Dorian Vinny Smith or you know Royce O’Neal replacement he’s not gonna be as good as those guys clearly right now I I think that’s not really what I’m saying

But OB but that we would always know that and at some point you just have to be willing and able to play some of these guys it’s been a little slow in the development uh with this coaching staff in terms of getting guys on the

Court I think but yeah in terms of what you saw tonight I mean he looked very confident he looked and it’s like one of those things too like because you may said Clowny like he just looks filled out right and this is what happens when you get drafted after your four years of

College as opposed to you know after your freshman year right the four year three or four year difference makes a big difference in just overall body type M muscular structure like everything else you’re just more filled out and Jaylen Wilson is already there not the most you know fastest and twitchi guy

But pretty smart sort of understands where he’s supposed to be on the court very tough minutes here against guys like Kyrie and Luca where he had to pick up some of those assignments like he’s going against just veteran guys here and if you just were dropped out of the sky

Tonight and you watch your first basketball game you would not know that this guy had like barely played NBA minuts right right like and I think that’s a good sign that’s a compliment right it’s like it’s like he looked like he Bel on the court in not in a not easy

Matchup and what I like about versions like this and this is why I’m always a proponent for trying to play these young guys more it’s one thing when you get like the Milwaukee game and you’re like young guys get to play Roll the balls out in the court we’ll see what happens

Right like here it’s hey you one young guy go play with all the guys that have been playing together and fit in that’s just such a different experience then we’re tanking go or not tanking but like we’re we’re hting this night off for night off for the real Squad B team go

In there right cuz no one’s got any chemistry whatever but you get four guys that kind of have maybe have some chemistry together then you could start jelling a little better and I think the Nets really need to take opportunities to try to do this more he looked he

Looked like he belonged yeah knows for the ball as well which we we’ve seen from him in the G League the summer league and the small sample size offensively and defensive rebounds you mentioned about kind of kind of gets it understands the angles finds a way to

Use his body and get in there and be active obviously phenomenal we’re going to talk about him more extensively as Doug said when we give our trade preview episode coming up on our next on the feed and also later tonight but let’s just close out on this last note here

And it’s not to take anything away from if you go in and look 20 minutes from Ben Simmons that’s encouraging more minutes from him he said starting lineup he was a plus plus one in this game tonight also seven I think the game would have been different I think the

Game would have been different if he wasn’t on a minute’s limit like I think that like so here’s the fascinating thing about that because maybe it would have right because the defensive value certainly obviously the pace offensively everything that he brings to that but there was also especially with Clon

There was a couple moments when they had a little two-man game working on the offensive end for for a little layup early on that I I was like well this is how we all Drew this up right just a two-man non-shooter game but even when Claxton was out and it was just Simmons

You keep getting this reminder there are these moments when players are going into the paint and Simmons is anticipating for the rebound trying to get positioning if that shot doesn’t go up all of the sudden it is just bodies bumping around off of one another where they’re not sure the shooter isn’t sure

If should I hand it to Ben Simmons he’s not us inclined to go up with this you give it to him he’s looking for someone on the outside there’s only three other players to throw to so there was still this this clunkiness right and when you don’t have Johnson and and uh Lonnie

Walker and Dorian finy Smith right you need to have volume of Shooters at all times so that there’s always the outlet and so that Ben Simmons doesn’t get caught in that bit of No Man’s Land so it’s still just a reminder here there is this this clunky nature to it but I do

Agree with you give me 25 minutes of Ben Simmons 26 minutes of Ben Simmons tonight maybe this late game sequences go a little bit different for them yeah like I don’t want to just like go to Lily here because he’s barely played and we just need to I think they clearly

Need to take a very slow approach with him um seven shots though with a few like sort of nice finishes with sort of with power at The Rim that’s a good sign right I think he was did did put up a couple like sort of mid-range at least

Two little mides that um both missed but whatever like I just like you gotta you have to at least try them and so got to the line right one to two hey we’ll take seven shots in 20 minutes for guy who’s averaging way less than that on a per

Minute on a per minute uh basis 9 triple double watch for this guy in 20 minutes all right so rough rough game still still some positives to take from this team look that’s just I think where we’re going to be with this next team right we’re going to need to take the

Positive with the negatives I think we’re where they are and we’ll talk about this with the trade deadline where they are as a team is on a night toight basis I think there’s going to be some nights that are rough but if we can keep seeing growth from guys like cam Thomas

Keep Ben Simmons healthy like there are paths to for this team to get better for sure and there gonna be games where they put it all together too all right if you are in YouTube right now stick around because Adam and I are going to roll through some trade deadline scenarios

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On YouTube talking more Brooklyn that’s basketball basketball basketball basketball basketball basketball basketball basketball yeah coming up the Brooklyn Nets are moving towards the NBA trade deadline where does the value stand on players like Dorian finy Smith Royce O’Neal Spencer denwick and is this team ready finally to start

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NBA for a first deposit match of up to $100 and Doug fresh off a loss the Brooklyn Nets are pushing towards the deadline and I think it’s finally time to say where do we stand is this team going to make moves and have they ultimately made some missteps in when

The highest value was there for key veterans like Dorian finny Smith and Royce o Neil yeah look this has been the talking point for a while now with the Nets about sort of like how they would approach this trade deadline we’ve heard lots of different rumors we’ve heard

Lots of different just things being thrown out there I think some is coming from the Nets front office as sort of like I don’t know as a way to just either Grease the wheels on some of these moves or just kind of evaluate what the overall Market is going to be I

Think you know there’s a lot we we go on a player level and just as a note too we’re recording this uh Tuesday night uh following the game right so because we’re live on YouTube as we go through some of the stuff following the Dallas

Game but um as we head into the trade deadline actually let’s start here with the first male Bridges it seems like they’ve got an offer it seems like teams have said you know they’re willing to unload a significant amount of draft Capital do you think there’s any chance

That Bridges is dealt before the deadline this is the big one no no obviously not the Brooklyn Nets don’t seem interested in doing it from from what we can gather it seems like the Nets want to be positioned to go pursue a star potentially in the off season to

Add into this coure they can always choose to change their mind but at least publicly right what we’re hearing from the Nets is we it’s not even we’d have to be overwhelmed it’s we are not interested in trading male Bridges at this time you and I I think both agree

That’s a mistake based on some packages that have been discussed but it doesn’t look like that’s anything that they’re going to consider ahead of the deadline yeah so two things about bridges and then we’ll get into DFS and Royce and Spencer and all these other guys because

There’s plenty of guys to talk about one thing I’ll say about bridges is I stand firm and there’s really only one package I would accept and that’s like rockets all the picks and swaps back short of that I don’t I I I would I don’t think there’s other packages from other teams

That were just going to be good for a while that I would accept sorry go ahead and I have one more point about that no no and I would say like I’d say I slightly differ from you in that there you could tell me a team that offers a

Four first round pick package and maybe a player etc for male Bridges where I would be at least more interested or intrigued by it than you would when I talk with Matt George from locked on Kings the idea of a Kings team that’s not a franchise that has a track record

Of stable success so I can think about some longer term assets from specific teams that might interest me for him though I’d be hard pressed yeah okay so yeah and this is all like look it’s all about what the deals available were and sometimes you just don’t know what those

Are going to be the other thing I will say is whether I was trading Bridges or not if I was this is exactly what I would also say as a front office I would never admit it because obviously you’re not like yeah we’re shopping them and

Then you don’t do it and then you have a guy who that thinks he’s gonna get traded so I don’t think it like matters too much for me that they’ve made strong suggestions SL statements that have said we’re not going to scare because that’s I would say the same exact thing and

Then still feel okay trading him that being said I also don’t think they’re trading so I I think that like in the end that’s where it’s going to be and look there’s a case for there’s a strong case for keeping male Bridget a very strong case right he’s got he’s on a

Ridiculously good contract you know he can fit and pair with any guy that you end up maybe bringing in at like at a superstar level he’ll fit with any scheme so there’s like lots of very good reasons to keep him the only reason we had mentioned the Rockets piece was

Because it was a little more you know holding your own destiny or controlling your own destiny maybe realizing that this reboot was going to be a real big like an uphill climb and maybe now in a landscape of the NBA where many teams are just trying to be good sometimes

There is benefit to not being the best team for a couple years if everyone else is trying right so but it doesn’t look like that is going to end up being the case as far as the rest of the trade deadline I we can probably go through

Some of these guys and where we think they’re going to end up Landing when it all said when it’s all said and done yeah let’s separate out one more guy here I think before we talk about some of the veterans Nicholas Claxton right because there’s also so the reports are

Also now that the Nets are not interested in moving him but but unlike with male Bridges it’s it’s being speculated unless the package blew them away right now now Define what a package looks like that blows the Brooklyn Nets away that’s a TBD liking him as we say

With all these players loving him as a player and a talent and his skill set 100% but this is another one of those examples for me where if Brooklyn is uncertain about their intentions with him when it comes to the off season then you need to be open to what the packages

Could look like here if is there a is there a trade package for him if it’s a first round pick and other things if it’s not two first round picks is there a threshold where you say ah I I’ll get to the off season because my thinking

Has also been there’s also a sign and trade ability here with Nick Claxton if the Nets want to pursue a star you can also start to create money matching ability with a player like him in the off season as well yeah I don’t think I’d be that

Incentivized to just like rush to send him out right here unless you were like they said you know was reported totally Blown Away with the package I don’t think you need to do that I think he has value for you this year I think there’s a chance the market doesn’t develop in

Like a massive way and you’re able to get him on a decent contract I think that like that’s a reason reasonable expectation like um you know if you look at teams that maybe have the you know have the scratch to go out and spend for

A center in the off season I’m not sure that list is super long so I’m not sure like I think he’ll command some money but I don’t know if it’s going to be massive so I think they might have just they might also look at this and say

We’re going to get him back in a contract he fits what we’re doing like I think that there’s that that one wouldn’t bother me at all and and again like I don’t think the market on him has been really robust either I maybe I’m sure that I’m sure there’s been calls

And I doubt that they’ve come anywhere close to getting blown away and I think that’s like fine I I think that’s he’s not a guy he’s not a guy that they that they have to be like rushing to move on from he also represents by the way and

Then we’ll move on in our next segment to some of the veterans he also represents what I wish was more like baseball where teams will often trade guys away as a rental for the remainder of the season and then bring them right back in in free agency you never get

Those opportunities in the NBA but that’s something that plays a factor for other teams as well he’s on an expiring contract so there’s no guarantee what you’re buying Beyond helping your team get better and more versatile defensively over the short term for a playoff run coming up here in a second

Let’s talk about the Vets Dorian finy Smith Royce O’Neal where’s the market standing on them right now and how low of a asking price should the Brooklyn Nets be willing to set we’ll get into that in just one moment all right before we get to that

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Dorian FY Smith Royce O’Neal I’m just going to put this as a blanket every Outlet is discussing and Reporting on Dorian finy Smith specifically but one of the differences here a year ago two first round value put on him now that doesn’t seem like it’s the case Brooklyn

Still being speculated as they want a first and an equivalent of a first round talent to move him that doesn’t look likely he has the multiple years here still next year and then the player option so the Nets also are afforded flexibility here in terms of time I

Think age is not on their side when it comes to Dorian finy Smith and I they should be in in the mode of trying to move him here again if you’re the Brooklyn Nets let’s do first off do you think he gets moved by the deadline here

Just individual before we talk from the Net’s perspective I’m gonna say no and I I’m gonna caveat that with I I wonder if they have like sort of misjudged this Market again but I’m gonna say no and like with Claxton I can make a case for that being okay though we’re

Starting to get into an iier Zone right like with the bridges piece the CLA of one I’m like okay it’s there’s more side of keeping them that I’m just fine with right I think the coin lands on that side many more times but with DFS and

Then some of these other guys we are it’s getting a little bit closer he’s a lot older right like he’s 30 years old that’s just not Young And even if it’s not okay so I’m going along but yes I want to say no I’m gonna say no what do

You think I think he does not get moved and I wonder if we were feeling frustrated by it I I don’t think he gets moved there’s also been reports that like Dallas was never really that as into as was first speculated about him coming back to Dallas and what they’d be willing to

Offer there we had discussions with Nick angat from the locked on mass podcast as well now there there’s some Rumblings that maybe a team like Milwaukee would be into it but again asking price right and so from a Net’s perspective as you said in the first segment about male

Bridges well we’re going to put a very high threshold because ultimately don’t want to move on from this player we want to keep him around and if we want to go down the Net’s front office model of well we think maybe in the offseason we

Could go pursue a superstar da d d da okay then having a guy like Dorian finy Smith might make a little bit of sense if that doesn’t pan out while the value will then be even further diminished it looks like the market is telling you the value is already falling out here right

If you were going to move Dorian finy Smith the time was last year when you made the trade with Dallas you send him out immediately for a couple of first round picks and you just live with that result on the back end in terms of need

To fill out your roster and what it looks like going forward well see this is where I wonder if like marks and Company are just anchored in the wrong place because like this is sometimes can affect your decision- making too if your anchor is at two first round picks and

That market has just changed then you’re gonna feel like no we can’t do it because it’s not the deal we want but like that deal might just not ever be walking through the door again now you might say to yourself look he’s 30 years old he makes like really very little

Money I mean 14 this year 15 next year player option for 15 and I don’t think it’s like a total think he’s a world where he picks that up too right he’s shooting 38% from three he’s very versatile for your team he can play sort of like backup five minutes he can

Defend a lot of positions like the other guys he’s has use this year and maybe going forward if you bring in you know these other guys that have been mentioned like Donovan Mitchell whatever like he can fit into a lot of different schemes I wouldn’t be crushed but it

Just also if they didn’t you know didn’t ship him but I I do sometimes wonder about like this two these two first round pick deals where they just consist that this is what he’s worth and like I don’t know who really very few players are get are drawing that these days like

Especially just role players he’s good it’s all compliments he’s a good player I’m really glad he’s on the team but like this trade market I do think a theme of this trade market is there’s these there’s a few of these like sort of like super role players that teams value very highly

They kind of want to be blown away but when you’re the other team you’re like I’m gonna give two first round picks even late ones for Dory and Finny Smith like I don’t know that doesn’t feel good so like this is what I think is happening with like Alex Caruso

And some other guys rightfully so like the Bulls should keep these guys but or keep him but I do think there’s a gap with like just this kind of guy role player not a star fourth fifth best player on your team I think it’s hard to think about giving up multiple first

Round picks for a guy like it might be hard to think about giving one first round pick up for a guy like this yeah and this is where you know you mentioned we talked about this before of what is a first- round pick value right there’s the lottery Pick and then there’s the

Everything else kind of first round pick and so other teams should think about that differently right we say two first round picks we should all should associate that the way that it’s being intended deep playoff team going to be a 25 to 30 pick in in the first round for

A couple years that’s fine but the Nets should also be flexible in hey did you make a first round pick late first- round pick on a guy that maybe is underwhelmed a little bit and is under 23 years old you can put him in the mix

And that helps us or well they should also be willing to take back less than what they what what has been offered before or whatever too Mar might table and say it was two first round picks a year ago so we have to get the equiv no

You don’t it doesn’t it’s not as valuable today and that’s your own mistake and this is the old throwing good money after bad essentially of saying well we can’t possibly now okay okay keep walking down the path of this player’s value diminishing until as you said he probably will pick up that that

Player option why because you can name a dozen veteran role players in his kind of mold that leave whatever team get out of a contract and they end up signing veteran minimums the Nets have a guy in Lonnie Walker right now on their team that has a serviceable role that does

Not make a lot of money so all of a sudden it becomes a little bit of a a a devil’s bargain in terms of how far you want to move down this road and you can make the case the Nets have already passed the the point of no return on

Actually getting what they perceive to be value on him but it’s also an easy story to tell themselves because of the things I mentioned before he’s real he’s versatile everyone loves him too like he’s a great guy every like everyone he’s a good player everyone loves him he

Fits a lot of different things your team doesn’t have especially with sharp out like you can do a lot if you’re a team that’s still kind of trying to win it’s good to have him around right so like this but this is like sort of the

Problem I think at times with the Net’s way of thinking is that they’re you know because they’re still kind of trying to win right and then like that could stop them from making maybe good sort of like basketball decisions around some of these guys that are like 30 years old

That aren’t maybe gonna be on the team in two years and for a team that has very that very little that team that could use every draft pick it could get right like they could use every draft pick here and just taking not not capitalizing opportunities even if

They’re worse than they were before I don’t know this is another close call for me I I I do not think he gets traded though I think he’s I think he’s going to be on the team following you know following three o’clock or whatever the trade deadline is yeah following four

O’clock Trade four o’clock sorry which we’ll now it’s okay we we’ll we’ll decide how we feel about it by 3 o’clock we we’ll make our firm decisions no I agree with you too again contract control all of that good stuff the other then veteran that we look at here is is

Royce O’Neal and this is where there’s a little bit of a trickle down effect there’s one other player so I’m actually going to go quickly to Lonnie Walker and then in our final segment we’ll talk about Royce O’Neal and talk about some the youth on this team specifically

Coming out that last game in Jaylen Wilson Lonnie Walker is ging garnering in some interest too now and this is a great example of one-year contract do you plan on bringing them back if not again there’s almost nothing that’s too low to take on a player if you don’t

Intend to retain him in the long term this is the again shortsightedness maybe of the Brooklyn Nets organization on this player what you mean like in terms of like not trading Walker is that what you’re saying yeah if you have him right now and you don’t think he you’re going

To resign him in the offseason then getting anything for him is better than nothing later and all these trade exceptions that we talk about that all get listed out here guess what multiple ones just expired on the six for the Brooklyn Nets they don’t get used so these things don’t matter well those

That those that was always the biggest joke those things were never getting used those those exceptions like I could have you know we talked yesterday about how much money I would have bet on like the Roy O’Neal thing it would have been a close number on the on on me betting

On the Nets not using their trade exceptions like that was just so obvious anyway with Locker I he’s he’s funny like $2 million clearly he’s outplayed it he’s had some that’s seemed to maybe they’re the only team seem to sort of run bad with these guys getting injured

Right at the trade deadline like last year Harris was hurt at the trade deadline Curry was hurt at the trade deadline Lonnie Walker’s hurt DFS is hurt like everyone’s kind of hurt around the time you might want to trade him nothing too bad maybe that stops teams

From from looking at it it’s also one of these things like with Lonnie you know again a lot of these teams that are trading for playoff guys sorry teams that are trading might be in the playoff hunt you sometimes want to imagine sort of like where a guy will fit with your

In your playoff scheme and he’s really good but he’s not exactly probably gonna be on the court for like long stretches in the playoffs you wouldn’t think and so the price on your bench yeah and sometimes I feel bad because I know sometimes I’m like I’m not he’s been

Awesome it’s not that it’s just that it’s harder to find the fit I don’t I don’t see him moving now neither do I but I would say briefly here if you could get one you know maybe a couple second round picks you know something like that whatever it may look like

Fringe playoff teams actually I think would be better suited to pursue a god Walker than deep playoff guys to your point the bench gets shorter but if I’m an edge team I’m in the playing tournament hey guess what Aon Walker could move the needle a little bit for

You come milwauke I can see like Milwaukee needing a guy like him right like sort of like behind Dame not a point guard but gives you some scoring can score three levels like I think he would fit there as a like just a little rest bit and make

Sure you had like a a score Off the Bench which they don’t really have like I could see I just I’m just throwing a team out there I don’t think they’re going to trade for it but like yes I I like not GNA play a ton in the playoffs

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Easy all right so as we wrap up our trade deadline preview for the Brooklyn Nets let’s quickly because Royce O’Neal we talked about him before expiring contract playing really well hitting some nice late game threes for the Brooklyn Nets might actually be critical for them actually being in some of these

Games and ironically he is healthy he is playing I I love Royce basically all the guys we talk about the NBA be trading I love them as players I think they’re great players they contribute it’s wonderful he is a guy that I think should be traded I think will be traded

And this onetoone correlation talked about him earlier in the season played against the Mavericks looked good Jaylen Wilson is ready for a role to me at the NBA level and if he isn’t then you don’t draft a 22 you know 22y old player as the Brooklyn Nets did you have to clear

Out a veteran at some point to open up minutes for a kid like this yeah I have to trade them if it’s a second round pick it’s a second round pick I like I you just there’s not what are we doing here they just have young guys that are

Coming up behind him he’s 30 they got him on a good contract he’s outplayed the contract right now he’s been a really important guy for this team over the last couple years he’s done everything you ask him for him it’s time to just try to it was a bit of a head

Scratcher when they traded a first for him before you cannot be anchored like I said before in that first because that even at the time I remember our reaction I was like oh that’s pretty steep you know first round pick for Royce O’Neal look steeper once they traded all the

Stars away right it looks way worse and but again he’s played really well it feels like he’s played as good as you can possi I mean thank God he’s making these threes so like other teams can kind of look at that and say yeah like this is something

That will work for us have to be kind of just has to be out the door like he’s one I can make the excuses for the other guys about why it might make sense to stick around mostly because either they’re young and you’re signing to new contract or they’re just already under

Contract for a while yep that’s he’s just expiring like they go find someone that can give you a second for him or something like that and if you can get more go for it this would be this would be if he was still on the team either

There was Zero Market or which feels a little hard to believe because he makes no money either like n million or they just have the wrong goals here right and this is like Allah sort of what happened last year now they were able to get off

The Mills stuff and the haris stuff last year this year and unload those contracts but I just this is just a different thing this is the Seth Curry thing it’s like you’re just gonna lose them for nothing and and he actually unlike Curry I think that he probably

Has can fetch you at least something here yeah and some of those things getting off of Mills and getting off of Harris like it wasn’t just a freebie you had to manipulate money and attach things you know to make those happen to get off the money off your books in Roy

So Neil’s case I’ll put out like these couple of scenarios very quickly I mentioned this I think to you off podcast you go and you look at a team like the Detroit Pistons who say they want a little more floor spacing Shooters on the outside to help the

Young team they have a second round pick from Memphis or Washington that’s those are two teams that are probably going to be towards the bottom so you can look at that as being oh that’s almost the backend first round pick make that type of move I’ll also point out even though

You think it’s unlikely you would do any typee of Trades with the New York Knicks if I hear Quinton Grimes dealing with the knee injury right now but they talked about wanting to move on of him because of where his contract is you and I were a massive fan of him coming out

Of the draft I would do a one-o-one player swap to bring in a young player that you think has upside for you like I think that’s where the Nets should who who is the player I just missed the name uh Grimes Quinton Grimes for the Knicks oh Quinton Grimes gotcha because they

Had they’re ready to move off of him because they’re not going to bring him back they’re not gonna you know new contract all that stuff with him so okay great young player upside great give me one of those players it doesn’t have to just be multiple second round picks you

Know the proven Commodities of the NBA level in terms of having a sample size on guys is just as important as another Dart throw in the second round that being the case I don’t I really don’t have anybody else Dennis Smith Jor is not going anywhere be

Again Den witty right would be the other guy I assume he’s not going anywhere because who’s giving you anything for him unless it’s a part of one of those three team deals where the Nets end up with something man the did situation is so weird like it is I I actually don’t

Know because if you okay I don’t think he’s going to get traded I think he really wants to be traded right and I think I wonder he sees himself as still being someone that should be able to contribute and be in a better role for himself somewhere else too there’s been

Rumblings for a while now that like the Nets might have even I don’t even want to report this but like there’s been Rumblings that he might have thought something was gonna happen and he thought maybe something was GNA happen I don’t like I don’t think that’s been like widely reported the energy level’s

Been weird if you look at there’s like some random videos that have come out here too about like his like during the Mavericks game he just sat at the scorers table while jacqu vaugh was talking to the rest of the team looked totally disengaged but they still play

Him a lot of minutes this is why it’s like a really confusing thing it’s that it’s because it’s he’s it see seems disengaged at times but then the Nets are also like oh yeah but you can also you know play 35 minutes and sometimes guard the other team’s best player so

It’s like okay well that doesn’t seem that will wouldn’t track with a guy who the net who the team just wanted to be rid of so I can’t really tell like what is true or what’s made up here around Den witty or what is like just personality and what’s like you know did

You know disinterested or disgruntled or whatever I don’t see much of a market for him he’s done himself and the Nets have done them no favors here with just like his overall play over the last couple weeks I think it’s a lot harder to probably look at him and try to

Imagine him coming in and making a big difference for a team because he’s really not been a Difference Maker at all for the Nets especially in the offensive end where it’s been long stretches of just forgetting he’s on the court so I don’t think there’s going to be a market for

Him but I also wonder if like I actually wonder if he’d be like a buyout candidate or something like I I and I think that will be that will be maybe not and this is maybe where the conjectures have gone too far but there’s just been so many things sort of

Brought up either off the cuff or straight out said by reporters or whatever this I find this situation to be very confusing because at the one hand I can make a strong case that like he looks totally out of it doesn’t want to be on the team looks pissed off but

Then the way the team uses them at times wouldn’t suggest that at all so I I’m kind of lost here but I I could really literally see anything from on the team traded or even bought out though I think the bought out thing is very unlikely yeah I I find the

Component interesting to your point it’s also maybe because he’s getting a little bit older and he’s the oldest player on the team and he’s lost a little bit of a step and he’s lost some of his up right maybe there’s a frustration just about

I’m not I thought I was going to be able to be a certain guy for this team and I’m not and with the return of Ben Simmons even though you have concerns about his health it changes the hierarchy of this thing right cam Thomas has a bigger role now Dennis Smith Jr so

All of a sudden you can Envision this version of the team where Spencer Dy should be getting pushed out of his role but the Nets always struggle with these types of decisions when it comes to the rotation in the end we’ll be back in obviously live for the coverage on

Thursday as the deadline approaches but where so we land on we think Roy O’Neal right we both agree Royce O’Neal is probably the likeliest to be to be traded and I think will be traded ultimately everybody else I’m I think Nets fan should be prepared for disappointment because I don’t think

That you’re going to see big moves like you’re hoping for yeah I think I tend to agree I think it’s GNA be the you know michale Clacks DFS on the team Royce traded and den witty I’m willing to just put a huge question mark that could be

Related to other deals too one other thing before we get out of here and then we’ll take a few things in YouTube I know people stuck around here forever um I will say you know facilitating a three- team deal like that could be something they’re waiting on also and so go ahead

That was gonna be my caveat was just like Dorian infiny Smith does a team get desperate or Spencer dwy three team deals we’ve heard the Murray rumors and the Lakers and everything else right they’re maybe it is as you say they’re they’re posturing on the value they want

For guys just to wait to see as these needs start to unfold for other teams okay we’ll help you out getting the guy you want it’s just going to take some extra draft Capital to make it happen right like that would be the shrewd move by Shawn marks and we’ve seen him do

This over the years so if you want to be optimistic it’s that the Nets are just positioning themselves to be the key pivot team for several squads that want to really improve for playoff runs all right we’re going to get out of here much appreciate everyone here that

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Basketball basketball basketball basketball basketball yeah yeah yeah yeah all right everybody straight into a little bonus conversation for you as Doug said we appreciate everyone sticking around we wanted to make sure that we gave where we kind of stood a preview of the trade deadline so we have

It up and out ahead of the deadline but that meant not ignoring you guys but needing to just tamper down the discussion so uh shout out obviously at lockon nets if you have a question a comment we’ll dive in on them I’m sure they’re probably deadline related stuff

I already saw some things about firing ch vaugh that’s maybe they trade Jac vongh uh Sean Remy coming in with uh except for the Nets every other team has allowed its rookies to flourish JV is not performing too well when it comes to young players I I looked this up before

The Nets are nowhere’s near this category in terms of minutes for the rookies you don’t need to really even you know get too into the numbers on it but this isn’t necessarily just a jack vaugh thing like no that’s what I was gonna say you know this is an

Organizational decision it yeah we can go back and and debate should they have drafted Noah Clowny should they have drafted Whitehead regardless of the injury two 19y olds that’s great but we can look around a whole bunch of guys that got picked in and around the 20th

And 21st picks of this past draft that are playing you don’t have to look too far over to Golden State and see that they have pod pensy I always mess up his name playing and playing real minutes and developing and they’re a team that’s basically in the same kind of waters as

The Nets right now right under 500 not a real optimistic outlook for the rest of the season and they’re finding ways to make sure they develop those guys but that’s organizational not just Jac vaugh yeah psky there you got it buddy um the so the one difference with the Nets okay

So one thing is Jac vaugh can’t facilitate um two-way deals that goes and grabs the guys from Long Island and them back right so like that’s that’s an organizational thing and th these guys have been in Long Island for the most time that that part is not V is not on

Jack vaugh right like he’s not the one facilitating transactions back and forth between between Long Island the other thing too the one and I don’t really want to give vaugh any credit here here but the Nets are diff okay they’re different than the Warriors because the the Warriors are super topheavy right

It’s like Curry clay Draymond Wiggins kaminga and then like nothing right like you Lester kinon is playing the other night the Nets don’t have tons of top tier talent but for for a lot of the Season they’ve had plenty of middle Talent right like Dorian Vinny Smith cam

Johnson right like Royce O’Neal now Ben Simmons is coming back in the fold like they’ve Lonnie Walker Dennis Smith Jr they have lots of guys who are NBA ready guys and that is a little bit harder to fit the young guys in with because they just these other guys are gonna want to

Play minutes too right so I think that’s like the one difference with some of these other teams is the Nets are deeper than these other teams they’re not as good but they have more NBA kind of caliber dudes um so I think that that’s my answer for that one um star

Yeah uh for me uh nets for me the only tweaks I’d be is make is a point guard didn’t would he mooved Giles and Royce moved uh but I’d keep DFS keeping DFS I think again that’s why Doug I talk about it like I can understand the path there

Mentioning Giles is a guy to move I mean you know cut him I mean that that’s that that’s moving Giles no one’s knocking down your door I don’t even know why he’s on the team oh I’m glad he’s getting paid I would never like want like I’m super glad he’s getting paid $2

Million like that’s great yeah but I it’s very confusing why he’s even on the team at this point like I they literally never play him in any situation so I just absolutely shocking um Jonathan frequent flyer with us uh Mavs are out on De but the Bucks have shown increased

Interest if they could get a first round draft pick does Bobby poris uh bamp a first round draft pick for do work for BK think I don’t think the Bucks have a first round draft pick the trade do they I don’t know what they have in their

Coffers and a part of it was if I remember correctly it may have been Royce O’Neal that they talked about as well um for the bucks and looking at it pretty sure after the holiday trade like you know between the Holiday trade and the Dame trade I don’t think they have

Any more first to trade um I’m GNA pull that up in the background as we have our discussion so anyway um I’ll go back to that question from before too it’s the about the point guard um the Nets really could use a point guard but I think the

Hope here is that Simmons can facilitate some of the things that John uh that uh Cam and male Bridges do well and that if you can increase his minutes like he would kind of cure some of that not traditional point guard but they don’t want to run pick and roll anyway with

The guys they have so like they have a they have actually a pretty good pick and roll point guard in Spencer deny but they don’t want to do that anymore so at that point you don’t need a pick and roll point guard at that point just play

Simmons I so I I think that Simmons is probably the guy they want to have here and I can’t really see like who I would trade for from a point guard perspective on this on this year’s Market personally uh the Bucs have 2024 first round pick

With Pelicans hold the rights to swap no 25 though so the consecutive uh you know first round pick would come into play there they have 26 they have 30 so they they have all they have so distance first round picks 20 24 second round or 2027 second round or maybe a player but

I don’t think they can trade those because of the steppan rule right because it’ be because of the 24 and 26 yeah second round picks they could trade the first round pi second round pi Point yeah 20 24 26 and 30 you can’t you don’t have the alternating first round draft

So at that point you’d be saying that’s why Royce O’Neal maybe would make sense for them if they were interested hey give me the two second round picks that that’s enough for us on an expiring deal at that point for Dorian finy Smith you’d be talk about G really giving him

Away even if we think that they’re setting too high of a price tag for him um Eric came in with this one do you think they trade cam Johnson no no chance yeah he’s another one that’s hurt so even if they want to another guy who can’t play I don’t they would never

Trade him like they’re just they’re just locked in on these guys like they locked in on what they did in the off season and that’s just who they want to be on the team I whatever it is what it is how much do you think I mean we pull

Anything else up and then we’ll obviously won’t spend too much time here being with us on Thursday for the live for the deadline how much do you think that organizationally they are still willing to drink the short-term Kool-Aid because they’re locked into him anyway but of like Ben Simmons like you get

These sample sizes you see how good the offense can look do you think that the Nets you know really look at that and say even for the rest of this year and next year that hey like Ben Simmons is the viable option I know you can’t get

Rid of his contract but I just wonder truth serum if they’re still willing to think that he can be a productive member on this team because to me it’s only well you’re playing out the string even if he flashes Brilliance we understand the risks and the shortcomings of his

Game as well I wonder if the Nets look at it as why would we trade all these guys like Ben Simmons is he gets back in healthy and gets his feet underneath him that starts to become a real dangerous team if we go add one player to the mix next year

Yeah I had no idea I mean how could they how could you possibly think that way but I mean they’re probably just forced him to think in this way too I I think I don’t know I it’s very I it’s really hard to know what their thought process

Around these things are because I don’t see how you could in any world have any confidence in Simmons’s long-term Health it’s just of course that that cats him so far out of the bag that I that’s that’s just me maybe people see it differently because they have the

Medicals and they believe it differently I don’t know like I I I personally can’t get there but maybe someone else could be talked into I just think that one I think that they they feel very strongly they’re going to be able to pryo another Superstar like a Donovan Mitchell or

Something like that to pair with these guys and to be much better and I think they’re just totally locked in on that right now and I think they just can’t stomach they don’t want to they don’t want to stomach a rebuild they have no interest in doing it and like that’s

Just the path they’re going to take it’s so weird to be in a rebuild while you know well they’re not going to call it a rebuild they’re going to call it like we can’t stomach a rebuild so we just won’t acknowledge that like we are effectively in a rebuild right like it’s

Just a it’s an odd approach I get it look you got to sell tickets you can’t raise prices every year if you’re just going to bot them out and you know and maybe there’s fi there’s definite Financial considerations here these guys aren’t making widgets like this is a business so there’s other considerations

That you and I do not have to worry about right and you know we’re going to do the podcast no matter what now and I’ll say too I’ve said this many times it’s way worse for us if the Nets are bad right like of the we’re one of the

Very few people of the population here that see other than players in the team and people that work for the team that definitely see a financial impact if the team is not good if the team is good like we make more money on the podcast like and I’m still willing to advocate

For the other way but I just don’t think the Nets are they’re not just don’t there’s no there’s no signal at all that they want to do that here’s my La here’s my here’s my last thought of the night that that’s it the Nets are done before the deadline they’ll play on the

Deadline Night February 8th on Thursday against Cleveland they play Cleveland and San Antonio at home then they have a home in home against Boston Toronto Minnesota Memphis Orlando so there’s some winnable games and then a double up against the Atlanta Hawks but if you come out you’re 20 and 30 right now like

Let’s also be clear here right you are 20 and 30 through 50 games if you come out and lose four out of those first five games which is not an unrealistic thing to have happen outside of the San Antonio matchup it is going to look just

God awful if you have not moved veteran contracts you if haven’t moved the needle on things and in the blink of an eye you’re 21 and 34 and you know what I mean it’s just it’s going to you think it’s bad to you know have to sell the

Rebuild and everything else it’s even worse when you say you’re not rebuilding and your team is 15 games under 500 right like it gets worse and worse if you continue to go down a path of keeping all these players and all these contracts and the results are in front

Of you saying yeah but you’re not a good team like okay but just you wait let you let us sell you on a dream Donovan Mitchell even if they go to the Eastern Conference Finals still going to leave that team and want to sign with us like

It it just doesn’t happen that way and it’s so funny too because if you compare it to the last time they did this right the last time they were in this situation where the team wasn’t that good or they didn’t have a lot of draft picks right and they were kind of but

They had they had a path to open up a lot of cap space and they had a team that was way overachieving and see that’s the difference right like if you think back to the DLo right those DLo days Jared Allen like when they make the they’re making the playoffs and Jared

Dudley looks like he’s gonna fight Ben Simmons and it’s like you know that playoff series that team was crazy overachieving right they were crazy overachieving and I think at that point Katie and Kyrie were already coming so I don’t think they had to but the vibe was

Totally different it was like hey we built this thing we we BR we brought it back from the ashes and we worked our way into like this really competitive Scrappy team that’s like really playing way better than anyone thought of course that’s just not the

Vibe here this the vibe here is just not that it’s like we’re not going to have tons of cap some cap space um free agents don’t come like this anymore you’re going to have to trade all your stuff to get these guys now pretty much right and so I think I

Think people that want to compare this situation to the last time it’s just there’s it’s not a comp it’s it’s not the same like they got bailed out for these last two free agents that when and kawhai these are the last three guys to basically want to do this and LeBron

It’s like there’s Old Guard that that tested free agency late in the game and they moved teams a lot of these guys sign their rookie extensions now and they sign their extensions like they’re just locked up like this free agency is not a facilitator to get these guys that

Just people that want to look back at the last time this is not it they’re gonna have to pay a lot to get these guys another group of guys in the door and the vi on the team’s just so different this like are the are the 20

And 30 Nets one guy are the 20 and 30 Nets one guy away from being good I mean maybe they are I I don’t know but it just seems a little bit like they’ve sold themselves something that might not be true I I’ll actually use this last

One from Ian here why would Donovan want to come here instead of the Knicks I’ll just use it as an example it’s not even the Knicks it’s any team any team that has draft Capital the Knicks do have a lot of draft Capital if if if the world

Comes to pass when Donovan Mitchell says I am moving on and I am going to be traded there’s going to be other teams it’s not just going to be Brooklyn saying well here’s our very select collection of picks that we’ll give you I said this I said this before too sure

Donovan Mitchell will take male Bridges we’ll take cam Thomas like you know we’ll take some players in this process too and then if you start to get into a bidding war over one available star tell me where you are down the road I know this is we’ve done this discussion

Before but it’s well but by the way too like I think we’re kind of Gone with the I’m demanding to go to this team trade too like Dame tried people said that oh he’ll dictate where he goes he will he’ll dictate that is Dame Miami will

Dictate where they get the best Hall I don’t remember Damen Lillard being like hey send me to Milwaukee but guess what like he got sent to Milwaukee and so I just think that the part I think the NBA has kind of said like we’re kind of done with that and

Resetting the Nar on good for Portland for standing their ground Portland said nope you know looked the one way after KD said he wanted to go to Phoenix you know but I just think that like that part where it’s like that’s where he’s gonna say he wants to get traded I think

They’re just gonna say get bent like if you’re under if you’re under contract like what does it make doesn’t help us like I don’t think anyone because guess what and and look at the narrative too no one is giving Portland a hard time maybe and do you think players are going

To Care no they don’t care like no one’s going to care if no one’s going to look and be like oh they did right by that guy we’re gonna sign with the team it’s not how it works it’s not how it works and so I don’t know I just be really

Would be worried if you’re banking on this one Donovan Mitchell situation I just think there’s lots of pass where it doesn’t happen yeah 100 perc so it it’ll be it’s going to be interesting to see obviously the deadline coming through here I I’d like to be pleasantly surprised and see the

Nets again we talked about this a lot reconfigure this roster a little bit so that the pieces complement each other more but it just doesn’t seem likely so Thursday deadline around 3:00 we’ll be live we’ll have it posted up ahead of time so follow us over on on Twitter at

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